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01-17-13 10:34 PM
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Alright, now that school's over...
I recently wrote an article at my school's newspaper about the Christian and the topic of swearing/cursing. I know I mentioned this topic before, but I want to give a more detailed take on this issue and I want to hear what you guys think. Here is the link to my article: http://asianbeliever.blogspot.com/2012/12/christians-watch-your-mouth.html I recently wrote an article at my school's newspaper about the Christian and the topic of swearing/cursing. I know I mentioned this topic before, but I want to give a more detailed take on this issue and I want to hear what you guys think. Here is the link to my article: http://asianbeliever.blogspot.com/2012/12/christians-watch-your-mouth.html |
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play4fun : Wow, that was well written! I think I'd agree with the points you made. I also believe that cursing is a sin, therefore I don't even come close to those words. Nice article! |
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I agree with you and mrfe. Very well written, and I enjoyed the biblical references. There seems to be a lot of debate about what is considered cursing nowadays, which I find rather sad. I don't see why everyone sees it as a 'cool' thing to do. After all, it's not like everyone says "Oh silly goose, tree is not a curse word! It's just cool to say! Tree, tree, tree! HA! Take that!" Not logical, is it? That's how I feel about people saying certain words aren't curse words, or it's not wrong to say them. Not logical, is it? That's how I feel about people saying certain words aren't curse words, or it's not wrong to say them. |
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play4fun : Well put! I totally agree with you, though in this day and age it's hard to cross the line between cussing and just exclaiming something. A good example would be the d-word and "darn" or "dang." Are these 'replacements' bad or not? I personally have nothing against them, but they are rather crass, so I try not to use them in a formal setting. |
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Dragonlord Stephi : That's really good that you try to avoid that as much as possible, especially with how old you are. I don't know what kind of environment you're in, but if it's a hardcore secular public school, then you will face trials...but continue to be strong.
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Well I was raised by a abusive father who was Atheist (>.<) and would always scream and curse when I did something wrong. So if I were not told to curse because it's against my mother's christian belief's (Which have helped me a lot through many things), I would have been someone with no impulse control over what they'd say. I have to agree and say it was a extremely well-written article as well! But isn't teaching or writing about religion a touchy subject? Considering there are students who may be a Hindu, or a Jewish person. But I guess that'd go for the polytheistic (The worship in multiple Gods, known by the Greeks, the Romans, a little by the Hindus, and a lot by the notorious Egyptians. Man, I sure know my history) Hindus, or the monotheistic (The worship of ONE God. Known by the Jewish, which started the next religion I'd state, Christianity.) Jewish students and Christian students. I remember some guy was arrested I believe for making first, or second graders I believe, make "I'm Sorry Jesus" Cards. I have to agree and say it was a extremely well-written article as well! But isn't teaching or writing about religion a touchy subject? Considering there are students who may be a Hindu, or a Jewish person. But I guess that'd go for the polytheistic (The worship in multiple Gods, known by the Greeks, the Romans, a little by the Hindus, and a lot by the notorious Egyptians. Man, I sure know my history) Hindus, or the monotheistic (The worship of ONE God. Known by the Jewish, which started the next religion I'd state, Christianity.) Jewish students and Christian students. I remember some guy was arrested I believe for making first, or second graders I believe, make "I'm Sorry Jesus" Cards. |
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I think Christians shouldn't swear. I get it if you get into a fit of rage and say one or two, because that's our sinful nature, but I can't handle it if people say it as an ordinary word. Like, it was an ordinary word at one time, but it's not ok to call someone that.  |
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BluemageKyle : I go to Wheaton College(IL). It's a Christian school, that's why I wrote it with the Christian audience in mind.
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BluemageKyle : Oh yes. Play4fun is definitely a Christian! Very influential too, I must add. You should check out his blog (if that's ok with him): http://asianbeliever.blogspot.com/2012/12/christians-watch-your-mouth.html
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point of curiosity, but since it was stated by the messangers and not god how can there be certainty as to gods outlook? English didnt even exist when the bible was written. From your article it seems the reason for your view is since it has a (human given) negative/profane meaning then universaly they should be avoided?
So does the evolution of language take its path from god, the sinfull nature of man, or satan? I do think I recall you stating as soon as a bad thought enters your brain you have sinned regardles of whether you carry it out or not. So if I asked if simply venting your feelings by swearing was really that bad, you may make the corelation between sinfull thought and action? That even though you didnt do something necessarily nasty, it was still an impure act? So does the evolution of language take its path from god, the sinfull nature of man, or satan? I do think I recall you stating as soon as a bad thought enters your brain you have sinned regardles of whether you carry it out or not. So if I asked if simply venting your feelings by swearing was really that bad, you may make the corelation between sinfull thought and action? That even though you didnt do something necessarily nasty, it was still an impure act? |
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thenumberone : As an example, the bible states that if a married husband has lusted after a woman, he has committed adultery in his heart. Yes, sinful thoughts are ..... sinful. LOL We all fall short though, and we all sin. This is why repentance and forgiveness are so important, and so important to understand. Yes, sinful thoughts are ..... sinful. LOL We all fall short though, and we all sin. This is why repentance and forgiveness are so important, and so important to understand. |
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thenumberone : Oh great...now I have to go back and read what I actually wrote. It felt like ages when I wrote that piece.
It seems that there are multiple questions in the response and I'll answer each of them separately. but since it was stated by the messangers and not god how can there be certainty as to gods outlook? A couple things. Christians have the concept that the Bible as a whole is God-breathed and is the inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 4:16-17). When we see letters from the Apostles or words by OT prophets, we are reading them as if God is speaking though these people, that God is the speaker, and Man as the instruments. Of course, I know you personally don't believe this, but there is another viewpoint to go with this. God has spoken in the past that the deeds of the mouth is no easy issue. OT people understand this, which is why I quoted the Psalmist when he said that even our mouths are to keep from evil. In the NT, I quoted Jesus (who is God) with similar statements (Matthew 15:11; Luke 6:45) Even the idea of blasphemy is, by definition, using God's name profanely or to profane God. If God sees blasphemy as sinful, why would He be fine with us doing it to each other? English didnt even exist when the bible was written. From your article it seems the reason for your view is since it has a (human given) negative/profane meaning then universaly they should be avoided? I'm assuming you are referring to the part that I took "profane" back to the original Latin. I wanted to argue that this idea in both secular and Christian points. If secular society already sees this as not sacred, why would Christians view it differently? I wanted my readers to ask the questions "Why do we even call these expressions 'profanity'" "What does profanity mean?" If someone doesn't believe in such things like good and evil, everything that I wrote would be meaningless to the person and he wouldn't bother the idea of controlling or get rid of their bad language. But if the person does believe and I can show how swearing is wrong, the person would react to it. That is why my article is targeting a Christian audience. If a secular person doesn't want to pursue good, there's nothing that I can do. He's not entitled to stop. However, to talk to a Christian, someone who is forgiven from sin, who is renewed in Christ with a new heart and new desires, would hate sin and would want to pursue holiness not to gain favor with God, but because the person wants to be like God, to be holy. I am trying to crush the idea that casual cussing is ok. The structure of my argument is like this: Given (not explained due to audience type): Sin is transgression of God's Law. Given: Sin is evil, or the absence of good. 1. As born-again Christians, we are to hate evil and avoid evil, being sensitive of the sins in our lives. 2. Evil can come from different areas: actions, deeds, thoughts, and in this case, speech. 3. Society (both sacred and secular) sees profanity as wrong (or unholy). 4. Profanity is sin/wrong/unholy and Christians should avoid it. Bonus Application: 1. God does not want us to become corrupters, but encouragers and people of thanksgiving. 2. Issue does not end in avoid profanity, but continues with the use of honorable and good speech. So does the evolution of language take its path from god, the sinfull nature of man, or satan? Interesting question. I would still say that it goes back to Man. Of course, physically we would go back to the Tower of Babel as the source of different languages, but it is due to Man, God's own creation, wanting to top God and be better than God, so I would still say the change of language goes back to Man. In a person's point of view, the rules of language is basically made up by humans anyways and it is the way humans communicate. If someone decides to bend the rules, and a generation starts to pick up on it, the language will change. So if someone were to say "what counts as a curse word?" I point to culture as well as the person's own intentions. I do think I recall you stating as soon as a bad thought enters your brain you have sinned regardles of whether you carry it out or not. So if I asked if simply venting your feelings by swearing was really that bad, you may make the corelation between sinfull thought and action? That even though you didnt do something necessarily nasty, it was still an impure act? Singelli already answered this, but I would like to add that I question the idea that swearing at someone is simply venting feelings. It's interesting to see that whenever someone truly mean their curses, it is done so when they are angry. Feeling angry is not a sin, but to use that anger to hate someone is. There are better and more righteous ways to deal with anger. It's the same with calling someone with demeaning names. That comes from discriminating or demeaning someone as a person already in the heart and mind. Think about this, where does compulsive murder starts? From hatred. You can argue that we can't compare murder with cursing, but they both start from hating someone as a person. You put that thought into action, that would be your end result. That is why when we read what Jesus said "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you," (Matthew 5:22-23) He is not talking about some oppressed anger or angry for the right reasons. He is talking about hateful anger to the point of insulting his brother, to the point of calling him "You fool" when he is not a fool. That is why John wrote: "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15) In the end, it always comes down to a heart issue. 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It seems that there are multiple questions in the response and I'll answer each of them separately. but since it was stated by the messangers and not god how can there be certainty as to gods outlook? A couple things. Christians have the concept that the Bible as a whole is God-breathed and is the inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 4:16-17). When we see letters from the Apostles or words by OT prophets, we are reading them as if God is speaking though these people, that God is the speaker, and Man as the instruments. Of course, I know you personally don't believe this, but there is another viewpoint to go with this. God has spoken in the past that the deeds of the mouth is no easy issue. OT people understand this, which is why I quoted the Psalmist when he said that even our mouths are to keep from evil. In the NT, I quoted Jesus (who is God) with similar statements (Matthew 15:11; Luke 6:45) Even the idea of blasphemy is, by definition, using God's name profanely or to profane God. If God sees blasphemy as sinful, why would He be fine with us doing it to each other? English didnt even exist when the bible was written. From your article it seems the reason for your view is since it has a (human given) negative/profane meaning then universaly they should be avoided? I'm assuming you are referring to the part that I took "profane" back to the original Latin. I wanted to argue that this idea in both secular and Christian points. If secular society already sees this as not sacred, why would Christians view it differently? I wanted my readers to ask the questions "Why do we even call these expressions 'profanity'" "What does profanity mean?" If someone doesn't believe in such things like good and evil, everything that I wrote would be meaningless to the person and he wouldn't bother the idea of controlling or get rid of their bad language. But if the person does believe and I can show how swearing is wrong, the person would react to it. That is why my article is targeting a Christian audience. If a secular person doesn't want to pursue good, there's nothing that I can do. He's not entitled to stop. However, to talk to a Christian, someone who is forgiven from sin, who is renewed in Christ with a new heart and new desires, would hate sin and would want to pursue holiness not to gain favor with God, but because the person wants to be like God, to be holy. I am trying to crush the idea that casual cussing is ok. The structure of my argument is like this: Given (not explained due to audience type): Sin is transgression of God's Law. Given: Sin is evil, or the absence of good. 1. As born-again Christians, we are to hate evil and avoid evil, being sensitive of the sins in our lives. 2. Evil can come from different areas: actions, deeds, thoughts, and in this case, speech. 3. Society (both sacred and secular) sees profanity as wrong (or unholy). 4. Profanity is sin/wrong/unholy and Christians should avoid it. Bonus Application: 1. God does not want us to become corrupters, but encouragers and people of thanksgiving. 2. Issue does not end in avoid profanity, but continues with the use of honorable and good speech. So does the evolution of language take its path from god, the sinfull nature of man, or satan? Interesting question. I would still say that it goes back to Man. Of course, physically we would go back to the Tower of Babel as the source of different languages, but it is due to Man, God's own creation, wanting to top God and be better than God, so I would still say the change of language goes back to Man. In a person's point of view, the rules of language is basically made up by humans anyways and it is the way humans communicate. If someone decides to bend the rules, and a generation starts to pick up on it, the language will change. So if someone were to say "what counts as a curse word?" I point to culture as well as the person's own intentions. I do think I recall you stating as soon as a bad thought enters your brain you have sinned regardles of whether you carry it out or not. So if I asked if simply venting your feelings by swearing was really that bad, you may make the corelation between sinfull thought and action? That even though you didnt do something necessarily nasty, it was still an impure act? Singelli already answered this, but I would like to add that I question the idea that swearing at someone is simply venting feelings. It's interesting to see that whenever someone truly mean their curses, it is done so when they are angry. Feeling angry is not a sin, but to use that anger to hate someone is. There are better and more righteous ways to deal with anger. It's the same with calling someone with demeaning names. That comes from discriminating or demeaning someone as a person already in the heart and mind. Think about this, where does compulsive murder starts? From hatred. You can argue that we can't compare murder with cursing, but they both start from hating someone as a person. You put that thought into action, that would be your end result. That is why when we read what Jesus said "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you," (Matthew 5:22-23) He is not talking about some oppressed anger or angry for the right reasons. He is talking about hateful anger to the point of insulting his brother, to the point of calling him "You fool" when he is not a fool. That is why John wrote: "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15) In the end, it always comes down to a heart issue. 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I object to the point of non religious people not pursuing good, they still have perceptions of good and bad. Many dont swear either. I personaly dont regard it as much more than a social thing, whereby peoples perception defines it.on that basis I see it as variable depending on the circumstances. I take it you mean isnt required/ motivated to stop, not entitled? "swearing at someone " I meant swearing in general, not at people. That would be nasty. Didnt you also say that everyone is sinful? So how do you rate that against swearing. Another lol for your edit I object to the point of non religious people not pursuing good, they still have perceptions of good and bad. Many dont swear either. I personaly dont regard it as much more than a social thing, whereby peoples perception defines it.on that basis I see it as variable depending on the circumstances. I take it you mean isnt required/ motivated to stop, not entitled? "swearing at someone " I meant swearing in general, not at people. That would be nasty. Didnt you also say that everyone is sinful? So how do you rate that against swearing. Another lol for your edit |
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thenumberone : I object to the point of non religious people not pursuing good, they still have perceptions of good and bad.
Right, I never specify that nonreligious people don't pursue good. I was saying that there are some people who don't care about right and wrong, and wouldn't care about what I have to say. And considering the fact that Christians are renewed to be more like Christ, the way I wrote the article is towards people who are pursuing good. I also wrote in the article that one of my motivation of writing the article is because I saw someone commenting at a forum wall at school that Christians should swear more, which I find the idea totally unbiblical and ludicrous in the Christian context. Even though I was kinda calling out on him (he didn't reveal his name, so only he knows who he is), I also know that this topic is rather debated among the student body. So my main thesis of the article, whether if people agree with me that swearing is sinful or not, is that Christians should go the opposite direction when it comes to swearing. I take it you mean isnt required/ motivated to stop, not entitled? Yes. Long morning = Valid reason.
I meant swearing in general, not at people. That would be nasty. Right, I understand that. If you look at Dragonlord's post earlier, you can see that this is where some Christians find it a little difficult to define because of how gray the area can be. The spectrum can go into two different extremes (I have met people who think "shut up" is a swear. I personally would not say that to someone, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a swear.) It's hard because we don't know everyone's intentions in the heart. TO ME, if someone were to say a "replacement" for the sake of wanting to say the actual curse word but not actually saying it, then it's swearing (I talked about this in the article). If someone said different words as an expression but were not thinking about saying the actual swear word that the word replaces, I wouldn't count that as swearing. It's one thing to stand for what's right, it's another thing to be ultra legalistic about it. The reason I say this is because there are specific verses that I quoted that prohibit the use of foul language or filthy talk and even crude joking (Ephesians 5:4; Colossians 3:8) So this is telling me that not only cursing at someone is wrong, but the actual use of foul language is prohibited as well. This can also be applied to crude jokes, like sex jokes. So again, it really really comes down to what the heart/intentions are doing. If someone tries to bend the words, they don't get it. If someone were to say the f-bomb at someone but not spell the "u" in the word, how is that any different than saying the whole word? Didnt you also say that everyone is sinful? So how do you rate that against swearing. I don't understand this question. What do you mean by rate? Here's what I want to ask you as well. If people think swearing is a social thing, why are schools prohibiting students from saying those words, and actually went even further and call them "bad words"? Even this forum prohibits swear! Do you think there is a moral (right/wrong) component in this in a secular point of view? Right, I never specify that nonreligious people don't pursue good. I was saying that there are some people who don't care about right and wrong, and wouldn't care about what I have to say. And considering the fact that Christians are renewed to be more like Christ, the way I wrote the article is towards people who are pursuing good. I also wrote in the article that one of my motivation of writing the article is because I saw someone commenting at a forum wall at school that Christians should swear more, which I find the idea totally unbiblical and ludicrous in the Christian context. Even though I was kinda calling out on him (he didn't reveal his name, so only he knows who he is), I also know that this topic is rather debated among the student body. So my main thesis of the article, whether if people agree with me that swearing is sinful or not, is that Christians should go the opposite direction when it comes to swearing. I take it you mean isnt required/ motivated to stop, not entitled? Yes. Long morning = Valid reason.
I meant swearing in general, not at people. That would be nasty. Right, I understand that. If you look at Dragonlord's post earlier, you can see that this is where some Christians find it a little difficult to define because of how gray the area can be. The spectrum can go into two different extremes (I have met people who think "shut up" is a swear. I personally would not say that to someone, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a swear.) It's hard because we don't know everyone's intentions in the heart. TO ME, if someone were to say a "replacement" for the sake of wanting to say the actual curse word but not actually saying it, then it's swearing (I talked about this in the article). If someone said different words as an expression but were not thinking about saying the actual swear word that the word replaces, I wouldn't count that as swearing. It's one thing to stand for what's right, it's another thing to be ultra legalistic about it. The reason I say this is because there are specific verses that I quoted that prohibit the use of foul language or filthy talk and even crude joking (Ephesians 5:4; Colossians 3:8) So this is telling me that not only cursing at someone is wrong, but the actual use of foul language is prohibited as well. This can also be applied to crude jokes, like sex jokes. So again, it really really comes down to what the heart/intentions are doing. If someone tries to bend the words, they don't get it. If someone were to say the f-bomb at someone but not spell the "u" in the word, how is that any different than saying the whole word? Didnt you also say that everyone is sinful? So how do you rate that against swearing. I don't understand this question. What do you mean by rate? Here's what I want to ask you as well. If people think swearing is a social thing, why are schools prohibiting students from saying those words, and actually went even further and call them "bad words"? Even this forum prohibits swear! Do you think there is a moral (right/wrong) component in this in a secular point of view? |
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the rate thing I mean, compared to other sins people regularly commit, how important do you feel it is?
Swears/social Schools prohibit them because socialy they are regarded as somewhat rude. And really I dont think kids should say them. Answering honestly, I do swear. In fact, most people do here, id be unusual if I didnt. And I think its social stigma that makes them "bad". But I know people that dont swear. And I dont swear around them. And nor do I swear around people I dont know. But friends I commonly do. I think its right we dont swear on the forums either, its full of kids and its not just friends that see your comments I think people that swear all the time are tubes. But amongst friends that also swear so long as it isnt every other sentence. I supose I regard it somewhat as moraly restricted. Swears/social Schools prohibit them because socialy they are regarded as somewhat rude. And really I dont think kids should say them. Answering honestly, I do swear. In fact, most people do here, id be unusual if I didnt. And I think its social stigma that makes them "bad". But I know people that dont swear. And I dont swear around them. And nor do I swear around people I dont know. But friends I commonly do. I think its right we dont swear on the forums either, its full of kids and its not just friends that see your comments I think people that swear all the time are tubes. But amongst friends that also swear so long as it isnt every other sentence. I supose I regard it somewhat as moraly restricted. |
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thenumberone : Ah ok, I get what you mean. I think I've mentioned in a previous thread that sin is sin. When you say something is sin, it means that that is what separates a person from God, and God's standard is perfection. So if swearing is a sin, the person who swears needs forgiveness and grace, same as a person who lies, or a person who kills.
I understand that is how society thinks, and I don't understand why they don't take the extra step and actually say that it is morally wrong. Even if they say children shouldn't say it because it is rude, why is saying it as an adult any different? I guess I can only leave it as an agreement to disagree. It is a touchy subject in the Christian circles as well, but I agree with those who are wiser than me that it is morally wrong. I understand that is how society thinks, and I don't understand why they don't take the extra step and actually say that it is morally wrong. Even if they say children shouldn't say it because it is rude, why is saying it as an adult any different? I guess I can only leave it as an agreement to disagree. It is a touchy subject in the Christian circles as well, but I agree with those who are wiser than me that it is morally wrong. |
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