I think they will, My brother goes to a morman church. Some people believe they do stuff freaky or like it is a cult or something, but when my brother was going to a morman church they were just like any other normal church had the same bible as baptist or penacastal or methedist churches have and they pretty much believed the same as us.

but my aunt and stuff got so upset and like threw in his and his wifes face what her believes were and that she didn't think it was right. I just really do not think it is right to bring other people down like that. Some morman churches might be some kind of cult or something BUT in my seeing and the ones my brother has been to IT IS NOT!!!

oh Geeogree is not going to be happy with me...but I'm just going to say it. If you truly believe in Mormon doctrine (I say this, because some might say that they are Mormon, but their beliefs are actually of orthodox Christian doctrine), then you are not a Christian and do not believe in the same Jesus, and you would not be going to heaven.

You also got a limited definition of the word "cult". The word "cult" doesn't just go with people with strange or extreme acts. Every group has those types of people in them. However, the word cult also includes those who believe in beliefs that are unorthodox or false. These are different with denominations, who disagree on secondary issues. Cults differ in primary issues. Mormons differ in the person of Jesus Christ, the gospel and salvation.

The biblical understanding of the gospel and Jesus are definitely primary issues in Christianity that define what a Christian believes and are nonnegotiables in Christian doctrine. So if a group differs in such beliefs, it will be like what the Apostle Paul wrote in the Book of Galatians:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:8)

play4fun would be correct if he knew that his religion is more correct than that of the Mormons.

The truth regarding anything beyond this world is not known. Perhaps we all go to Heaven, perhaps only a few people go to Heaven, perhaps no one goes to Heaven, perhaps there is no Heaven.

The point is, if you ask any devout religious person this question, they will have their own strict bias and will give you an answer like the one above.

It doesn't matter what other people think is what I'm saying. If your brother truly believes that his faith is right for him and will lead him to eternal happiness, then I say let him do what feels right.

Well, I am A christian of God , Jesus christ who died On the cross. I was just talking about how alot of people down here where I live well they think of the term when you speak of mormans like bad. I acutally go to a penacastal church my mother was raised baptist and we tried this new trinity of god church and it was awesome.

I was not saying I believe what mormans believe either. I am just 15 also so I do not know everything in this world and stuff. I just was thinking about my brother, he is a real awesome man of god and I love him dearly with all of my heart and one day he went to visit my grandmother and my aunt was there and, he had just mentioned which church he goes to, which was mormans church of christ and actually the reason I know they are not a bad church or at least the one my brother was going to was because my mother went to that church and they were just like any other church, just like baptist to.. They don't do weird things like some people believe they do. I just do not understand how people in life bring down others because of there own believe or something that they don't even know what's true or not. But I do respect everyone elses believe and will not stand in anyones way because I really don't like to get into fights or saying something in someone elses face because it is not respectable to bring somebody else down for any amount of reason in my own eyes.

But I do believe in my heart that the mormans I have seen will go to heaven because I have seen what they do and who they are and they are really nice people who are just the same as all of us. But again I can't say who and who will not go to heaven cause we as people really don't know who will go to heaven and who will not. I was raised that as long as you are saved and live up to god and his wishes and cherish your life for god then thats what leads you to heaven but I'm just speaking in terms of how I was raised.

Anyways, Happy gaming.

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as long as their good people they will go to heaven

I don't care what religion you are, if you go to church or not, or even if you are athiest. If your a good person, then the lord would see that. If there is a god, then he is most definitely not as shallow minded as people are, and wouldn't judge people in the same, humane way. A long as someone was a good person in life, they should be accepted into a happy afterlife, right?

The thing I find most ironic about arguments like these are the fact that Mormons believe more people will go to heaven than "regular" Christians do. Apparently Christians are less merciful than Mormons are

Thanks guys, that really made me feel alot better. I think no matter what religion you are, we should all be treated the same because us as humans no matter what type of person or religion we believe in, 'we' are all equal.

NotJon : Except in this thread, we are talking in the Christian context, on whether Mormons are a Christian cult, and this issue comes down to whether Mormon doctrine stays within orthodox of Christian theology and Biblical studies. We are not talking about other religions in this case, which can be reserved for a different thread. And I don't believe in relativism. It doesn't depend on how hard a person believes in something, but whether what you believe is true or not.

Bintsy : I don't know much about what your aunt did, but there is a fine line between telling someone is wrong and being intolerant. If your aunt treats them badly as people compared to other people, that is intolerant and wrong and that is no Christian love at all. But if she is simply telling them that what they believe is not biblical and is not Christian, she is just simply showing truth to them.

You make it sound like someone is a Christian because they are nice people, which is simply not true. Non-Christians can be nice people. Their niceness is not what describes who goes to heaven or not, it is whether they have been saved through faith in Jesus Christ. Again, Mormonism is considered a cult because it strays away from some of the primary issues in Christianity. This is to say that those who believe in Mormon doctrine are not saved.

DARKANINE :
SilverMaestro :
There lies the misconception of mankind. No one is good enough to go to heaven. No one is perfect and God being a just judge and hates sin, He would not allow sinners to enter heaven, and that we all deserve hell. That is why Jesus died on the cross and that is why one needs to receive Christ as the personal Savior. You don't receive Grace, you would try to pay the fine of your sins by yourself, rather than God paying it in full. And no one can earn enough into heaven.

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) In context, that name is Jesus.

play4fun : so im going to hell?

play4fun : My mistake. I always forget that this is the Conservative Christian forum.

In that case, he's probably right. However, this is God we're talking about. He works in mysterious ways and has been known to change his mind.

DARKANINE : No just because you are a MORMAN, does not mean your going to hell. Mormans are not all in cults either. And I think Play4fun was a little out of line when he said that if you believe in MORMAN DOCTRINE you are not saved. So do not worrie my friend you are fine, God is the only one who should be telling you if your saved or not and if your a good person or not.

play4fun : I don't know what you believe in really, But I personaly do not think you should be saying that if somebody is a MORMAN they are not saved, You did not put it in those words but that is what you ment in the words you said which was,..

"Again, Mormonism is considered a cult because it strays away from some of the primary issues in Christianity. This is to say that those who believe in Mormon doctrine are not saved."

Also It is NOT a cult. Their might be some organizations of MORMANS that are possibly cult worthy but, A simple MORMAN church is not a CULT! And There MIGHT be one you have been to that was but NOT all MORMANS are in some kind of cult. My brother for instance is just like any other christian, he reads his bible, prays to JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. He WAS SAVED as a CHILD.. and WHEN he GOT MARRIED AFTER the years PAST he tried out a MORMAN church.

But as this all goes down, We are human and I can believe what I want to believe and you can believe what you want to believe but GOD is the only one who knows the actual truth, and us as humans have NO right to say who is and is not saved.

NotJon : Oh don't worry too much about it. I'm just trying to avoid taking taking this thread to a larger discussion away from the original topic. I have to watch myself sometimes too.

DARKANINE : I'm gonna message you, so I won't distract the main topic of this thread.

To be honest i don't even believe in heaven believe in reincarnation the soul reborn

DARKANINE : We all have different believes as human beings so Don't worrie about it.

Bintsy : Ok, so what do you think of the verse that I just gave to Darkanine and Silvermaestro?

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

What do you think happens to Buddhists and Muslims when they die, know that they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins?

I can't believe in a system that sends people to hell for not figuring out that Jesus is the only way to be saved.

The general christian belief system has sent more people to hell than are saved. And God did all this on purpose and yet I'm supposed to believe he is merciful?

I believe that Mormons are Christians. I did some research once, and I have a friend who is Mormon. As it turned out, Mormons are not exactly as away from orthodox doctrine as those opposed to them say they are. Yes, they use four texts rather than just the Holy Bible, but the Book of Mormon is actually rather biblical, some of the verses coming straight from the bible. Mormons are said to be nontrinitarian, but I would think of their view of the trinity as "nontraditional trinitarianism". They still believe in three entities, unlike cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians. They do have some weird views, but quite a few of them have been discarded from their practice (such as the Adam-God theory and polygamy). The ones that they still believe are frankly trivial; although believing God has a body like humans or that Hell is outer darkness rather than fire and brimstone is incorrect, those aren't necessarily beliefs that would subject someone to Hell. I think of Mormons the same way I do with Seventh-Day Adventists: although I wouldn't suggest those denominations, I think it is possible to be a Christian if you are a Mormon or Seventh-Day Adventist.

geeogree : Jesus himself warns about the path to the Kingdom of God is narrow. "And someone said to him, 'Lord, will those who are saved be few?' And he said to them, 'Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.'" (Luke 13:23-24) There is one thing that is for certain. We know that God desires everyone to be saved and to come to the truth (1 Timothy 2:4) But He cannot be unjust, for that is not in His character. This is why there is a sacrifice, and that is why there is a gift, but there is now also a choice. Does one confess Jesus to be Lord of your life, or is one too proud of one's own goodness that one thinks there is no need of God's gift of salvation?

and God is merciful. It is because of his mercy that there would actually be someone going to heaven. If God is ONLY just and not merciful, everyone would be going to hell. But it's not a matter that there are people who do not want to go to heaven. Everyone wants to go to heaven or want eternal life, they just don't want God to be there and they don't want the control of their own lives, their own fate, and their own salvation to God. They want themselves the glory for themselves and not seek God's righteousness, and to continue to do what is right in their eyes and continue to live in rebellion against God and become enemies of God through their wicked works.

Metal_25 : How extensive did you do this research? Mormons do not believe Trinitarianism of any kind. Believing in three entities is different from believing in three-in-one. In fact, Mormonism believes in a "growing polytheism," for they believe that Jesus was a god, but not God. They also believe that Jesus achieved godhood because of living a righteous life, and that everyone can become a god by living a righteous life.

The biggest primary issue that is different between Christianity and Mormonism (and an example of how the Book of Mormon contradicts with the Bible) is the idea that works have any merit in being justified for sin. No one can earn heaven, which is why the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is the sacrifice for our sins and is the only hope for us because He is God and his sacrifice is sufficient for everyone who receives the gift of salvation by coming back to Him and be a child of God. It is written in (Ephesians 2:8-9): "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." while the Book of Mormon states that "...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (2 Nephi 25) The Bible does not say that God makes up what we could not achieve, it states that God did it all for our salvation. It did not say that works have any merit to salvation, but that good works and fruit are a result of salvation. Something as important as salvation is in dispute between Christians and Mormons. This vital point of the gospel is the defining split between Christians and Mormons.

play4fun : What does it take to be "saved" and go to "heaven?" And are you saying all Mormons go to "hell" because they believe in God and Jesus differently than you do?

My problem with quoting straight out of the bible is that it's been edited by the catholic church for over a millennium to better suit how they wanted to run the world, back before the bible was able to be in anyone's hand. I think the bible has some good stuff in it, but you can't take all of it literally, as it was written by man and not by God, God didn't intervene and take over the role of editor and make sure the bible was exactly as he wanted. If he did, we wouldn't have the dozens of translations of the same thing that we do today. It was written for people in a different time, in a different language, with a different mindset, who would be able to correctly interpret it literally, as they viewed the world differently. You could get 20 different people who say the same verse means a different thing, that doesn't mean any of them are right because they're still just men. And when these 20 different men re translate the bible based on how they interpret it, without divine assistance, and several other different men come in and do the same for over a thousand years, the end product is extremely different than the original wording and intention behind what was written. Things such as the last verse in revelations talking about how nothing can be added to the bible or to scripture, yet chronologically revelations wasn't the last book of the bible written, it was just put at the end of the bible, so other scriptures were added after the last bit in revelations. Sorry I'm so scatter brained, I'm really distracted right now and have a thousand different things to say but I'm not sure what order to put them or how to word them. It's taken me over half an hour just to write this post, lol.

Edit: I just read your last post, and it talks about how we're saved by grace and our works don't matter. If our works don't matter, that means our sins don't matter, since they are works as well. So if I'm a rapist, pedophile, murderer, thief, liar, blasphemer, but I say a little ditty about accepting Christ into my life, does his grace save me even as I continue my wicked ways, and there's no consequence from it whatsoever?