But MGS4 has an outrages amount of HD FMV's.
Therefore, this is not officialy the biggest game, because there is some xbox game on 4 disks.

Personaly, It wouldnt bother me, becuase its not like your changing, changing back, changing again, changing back.

Thought 360 games were dvd9 or whatever that is, and blueray is just so it supports movies.

New 360 elites with blueray drives wont be using blueray games, guess then it'd make it basicly a new console to only have games released to that..
Higher quality fmvs maybe..

Originally posted by Davideo7

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DVD-9 can hold almost 9 Gigs of info, which is what XBox 360 can read.

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DVD-9 is just a fancy word for dual layered DVD, which I did explain that it would take 3 (maybe four) to fit MGS 4 on it. Blu-ray capacity is gonna be needed sooner or later.

Originally posted by Davideo7

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Blu-ray did kill the HDDVD but just because Sony is using a sucessful media, doesn't mean it's going to be successful.

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I never said that it was gonna be successful because of Blu-ray I just corrected bob that said that HDDVD killed Blu-ray.

Originally posted by Davideo7

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I'm pretty sure CDi was one of the first gaming systems to use CD (and it's competition was cartridge) for it's games and it failed pretty bad.

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It didn't fail because it used CD's it failed because it had bad games. Also look at PS versus N64, PS won because it used a new and better format AKA CD's, I'm suspecting the same will happen this time with DVD vs Blu-ray.

Originally posted by BigBob85

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But MGS4 has an outrages amount of HD FMV's.

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Wrong, every single cutscene in MGS4 is rendered in realtime, there's maybe one or two FMV's and they aren't really that much HD quality.

Originally posted by BigBob85

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Therefore, this is not officialy the biggest game, because there is some xbox game on 4 disks.

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I said it was the biggest when it came to space taken, I could go investigate right now if it's the biggest just tell me the name of this XBOX game.

Originally posted by BigBob85

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Thought 360 games were dvd9 or whatever that is, and blueray is just so it supports movies.

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I have no idea what you're talking about here, could you please elaborate?

Edit: I looked up how much space MGS4 takes and it takes a whooping 50gigs one full blu-ray duallayered disc. That would mean almost 6 DVD-9. Blu-ray is gonna be needed just accept it.

Yeah, I was going to bring up that MGS4 is the first game to ever fully use a dual layered blu-ray. And while the format war may not necessarily effect the console wars, it did last time. With the switch to DVD's everyone got a PS2 because it could play DVD's. If you guys remember many of the launch games for PS2 were pretty bad. It had a couple that were good, but other than that, nothing. PS3 could end up dragging more people in for the Blu-Ray portion of it than you think.

No idea where Bobby got HDDVD killed Blu-Ray, pretty sure I said it was the other way around before.

And yes, while you can switch out discs, you do have some limitations when you do that. If any of you ever played Baulder's Gate you would see what I'm talking about (could be any older computer game). BG was 5 discs and so sometimes if you adventured to a particular area you'd get "insert disc #". And I think that's why you saw some PS games have a very shallow last disc. Take the end of FFVIII, I'm pretty sure most of that CD was FMVs. To compensate, I'm pretty sure the whole 'time compression' bit where you couldn't access cities was simply to save space on that disc.

Another thing a bigger disc allows is being able to not compress things as much, more compression= more loading.

And yes Bobby PS3 games are on Blu-Ray discs. Another nice feature of Blu-Rays is that they are very tough discs. They are quite difficult to scratch. So for example if you get a used game from Gamestop covered in dust and stuff, sometimes the disc would of been scratched, I picked up Assassins Creed and it had a bunch of junk on the back, but all I had to do was wipe it off and it looked good as new. Couldn't even tell there had been a mark.

Well I agree that having blu-ray games is a huge advantage but it doesnt mean playstation 3 will pump out good games just because their games can be big.

Back to the CDi example, they could fit tons of data on their CD's compared to the competitors using cartridge, but they failed to produce good games, obviously. Same thing is happening to PS3, they really don't have to many good games right now, I'm sure they will in the future, but Xbox 360 has way more good games at this point. And for upcomming games, Xbox 360 also seems to have better games still to come out.

But yeah, I do hope microsoft plans on making some blu-ray games for the 360 and starts releasing blu-ray players for the 360 because it might not matter now, but years from now it will.

They are not going to make Blu-Ray games. It simply isn't going to happen. It would be a bad business decision to do it. Look at all the add ons that failed. It's just not a smart move for MS.

And furthermore CDi games sucked. PS3 is getting good games, and great games, 360 just has a year ahead is all. With MGS4 out and FF 13 at some point that will help PS3.

DM, Lost Odyssey.

A good article on the topic too.
http://secondstorygamer.com/.../are-dvds-big-enough-for-xbox-360-games/

I checked up on Lost Odyssey and it came on 4 DVD-9's, In other words at most 32gigs, which would easily fit on on one Blu-ray disc (Which after all means that less disc = less swapping).

Also how he compares the sizes to XBOX (not 360) games are just dumb, computers and game consoles and similar gets better at an exponential rate not a constant one. There's no telling how much space we may need to use in the future and having Blu-ray is a good insurance.

And lastly: Size doesn't always mean graphics, sometimes size just means all around better and for that I'll just say MGS4.

Size definitely doesn't mean all around better, it simply just means more content (or higher quality content), that's all. Someone could fill the blu-ray disc with crap and just because they filled it doesn't mean the crap they filled it with is good. Not saying MGS4 is crap but you get my point.

David I get what you are saying, but honestly your argument makes no since. I mean yeah someone could take DVD 9's and do the same thing. So what's your point? We know that disc could be filled with crap....

I agree the space issue really isn't an issue. Also that is why the xbox is getting larger and larger hardrives. I vote for the xbox.

The Ps3 has a larger upside I'll admit, more room for growth and improvement. However since the ps3 is so hard to develope for they throw twice as many programmers on that team and the game still looks better on the 360, its all about the bottom line for the game devs which is the dollar. With ps2 and xbox most games were developed for the ps2 and then ported to the xbox. In this new generation its quite the opposite.

Anyways anyone who cares about console gaming online has a 360 vs a ps3. You get screwed having to pay but oh well, 48$ a year is nominal, considering the price of games now days, and the 4 free arcade games I've gotten, which were all pretty decent. Also the arcade games are better than what the ps3 has had to offer in the past, and then throw in the psp functionality with the ps3 being almost worthless.

I would enjoy owning a ps3 don't get me wrong, I'd but linux and a buttload of emulators on, however I've been the happy owner of a 360 for 2 and a half years and its done me good.

As far as games go, I think Dragonmaster hasn't had any good western rpg experience such as almost anything Bioware made. Like neverwinter nights, baulders gate, planescape torment Kotor, Mass Effect, or the Sytem Shock game that is coming out.

PS3 is getting a lot better with online with it's updates, so don't sell it short just yet. And as far as the arcade games go it really depends on what you want, Sony just needs to keep getting more out there. I've downloaded 3 games and all are pretty cool. Another nice thing there are adding with the next update is basically achievements. Which honestly this is where I have to give Sony a bit of credit. They are trying to really improve their online system and it's looking quite promising. I will say that Home is an odd move as it just doesn't really seem like something the PS3 audience will go for, but nonetheless looks interesting.

And the PSP thing is nice, but it would be better imo with something like Wii's virtual console and DS because some of the old NES/ SNES games would make fun portable stuff. But needless to say the PSP thing isn't a huge deal, but it's a nice little extra.

But yes right now, games may tend to look better on 360 due to as you said it being the base. Once we see some more PS3 exclusives we'll see what it can really do. I've been playing MGS4 and I gotta say, the game is beautiful, and I say that even playing in SD.

And Zylo again, I'm not saying the space issue is a huge deal, but I think it's bigger deal than you are making it out to be. As I've said you run into limitations with having to use multiple discs.

And Bobby your article makes a few assumptions. HD games simply take up more space when put on a disc. Who's to say there won't be an even bigger increase. As I hinted more compression= more loading. And the fact that Konami used all the space they could on Blu-Ray helps keep loading times quite small. And of course Sony's going to play it up, does the author of the article honestly think that MS would be any different if it was the other way around? PR people are like politicians they spin anything they can any way they can. MS did this very thing not too long ago. They put out a release saying they are the only console with 10 million units sold (can't the specifics) but the simple fact was the Wii was going to hit that mark within the next month and do it a year quicker.

DM, I draw yout attention to this article to show my opinion on mgs4.

Yes well, less compression of data, would mean less decompression, meaning less load times.. I'll give you that. But if PS3 and Xbox360 games are competeing against each other, how is PS3 ment to feel with its superier disk technology, yet most of the games come off about the same.

@Zylo: I have played lots of bioware games and they are all first class and excellent but most get released on the PC too and I do still like jrpgs more.

@Bigbob: I lurk Kotaku everyday and Zero Punctuation is on my rss feeds so I have already seen that. He makes valid points but still most of his problems were with the type of game it was. It just wasn't for him. And when it comes to the disk argument I'll just say that you cannot see the difference in ports or games released on both, you have to look at the exclusives to see that.

ZP's job is to be funny not actually review games. Sorry but pointing to a ZP review for ammo is strange.

Playstation 3.


Hands down.

Lets not forget that XBox 360 is the dream machine for those who have the creative talent to design their own games.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb203937.aspx
With XNA Game Development Studio, you can develop your own XBox 360 games (and pc games). Now that is cool

Well I have to give that to Microsoft that they reached the new game makers quite well. Too bad that I heard that the royalties on Xbox live arcade games are really low. but it can surely be used as an springboard for more projects.

XNA isnt a way to make money, its a way to make games to make game studios go, geez, this guys got tallent *hires*. Thats what im trying to do.

@Vash,DM Have you ever seen ZP give a good review to a game? I've only seen a few reviews, and he hammerd the games a little bit.

@DM, just because its a port, dosnt mean they have to compress the same. Not unless, they compress it the same, then just put it on a dual layer DVD (or single layer..) to save on costs rather than blueray disks.

Well he often has a valid point, but takes it to the extreme to be funny from all I've heard from people who frequent the site.

DM. I do admit defeat as to the PS3 only titles may pwn others, but if MGS didnt have the following it did, not many others would shine like it does.

GT is another example of what would be extrodonary on blueray.