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Nice youtube video you got there .. 
I'm an open - minded person . I am not really a big fan of porn .. 
I hope the earth would be full of open - minded persons too .
Nice youtube video you got there .. 
I'm an open - minded person . I am not really a big fan of porn .. 
I hope the earth would be full of open - minded persons too .
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Open Mindedness can sometimes lead to the demise of a nation.  Sometimes it is best to keep our opinions to ourselves.  Personally I believe that open mindedness is a privilege but not a virtue.  You should not over excerpt your ideals it will only lead to the oppression and eventually depression of your being.
Open Mindedness can sometimes lead to the demise of a nation.  Sometimes it is best to keep our opinions to ourselves.  Personally I believe that open mindedness is a privilege but not a virtue.  You should not over excerpt your ideals it will only lead to the oppression and eventually depression of your being.
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Wow I totally agree with this video. Its just like when someone says ghost are real because they saw a video someone did that had a ghost. How do they no that its true? There so many things you can do to a video to make things appear real. Look at the movie paranormal activity a movie about the paranormal yet a lot of the spooky things they do in the movie some supernatural people believe in other videos are the same thing. I don't know the whole thing of someone telling me I don't know anything about that is just silly because in reality, they don't no anything but what someone or something tells them.
Wow I totally agree with this video. Its just like when someone says ghost are real because they saw a video someone did that had a ghost. How do they no that its true? There so many things you can do to a video to make things appear real. Look at the movie paranormal activity a movie about the paranormal yet a lot of the spooky things they do in the movie some supernatural people believe in other videos are the same thing. I don't know the whole thing of someone telling me I don't know anything about that is just silly because in reality, they don't no anything but what someone or something tells them.
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Interesting. This video made me reflect on some of my own experiences and made me realize how little criteria I require before accepting a claim. Guess I should change that...
Interesting. This video made me reflect on some of my own experiences and made me realize how little criteria I require before accepting a claim. Guess I should change that...
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This was an informative video, I rather liked it. I have had the same thing in the video happen to me where I am called close minded for not believing such and such. I even watched the other video on critical thinking.
This was an informative video, I rather liked it. I have had the same thing in the video happen to me where I am called close minded for not believing such and such. I even watched the other video on critical thinking.
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geeogree:

NOTE;  I did not mean to "bump" an ancient post, but it was a "sticky" post whatever that means, so I am guessing it has different rules than non-sticky posts, I hope?  If not I'm sorry!  Also, geeogree said in the comments he believes in God, so I may have been preaching to the choir a little in this!!

Oh my goodness, interesting discussion-provoking video....  While I whole-heartedly agree with what struck me as the
main gist of what he was getting at, that people who judge others for supposed closed-mindedness are actually the closed-minded ones, I hate to say it but in an insidious way the video, as a whole, came across as closed minded!  LOL

I will try to explain, though I should preface my attempt by saying I am aware of the danger of committing some of the same transgressions he complains about in the video, though in my defense before-the-fact this is mostly going to be due to a lack of attention to detail and carefulness.  There needs to room, even in the logic/debate section of this site, for some roughly-approximated sentiment!  

Also, I apologize in advance if my thoughts have already been addressed in some of the billions of replies to this post, but the video made me want to start typing right away.  

Why did the video strike me as closed-minded?  My final prefaces, I promise, yes the video was careful and admirably so to distinguish the difference between non-belief (e.g. "I have not been persuaded to believe that") versus closed-mindedness ("that is impossible!") and I am also aware that there is the danger I could be putting words in the video's mouth (i.e. exaggerating its position to make it weaker), though what rubbed me the wrong way about the video was more what it didn't say, if that makes sense. 

To put it as simply as possible, to briefly allude to supernatural beliefs and to have such a strong emphasis on scientific inquiry, the film struck me as closed-minded by not even having a stance one way or another on more existential, meaning-of-life type questions, while at the same time mischaracterizing and conflating/confusing those people who do have spiritual beliefs as being the same as those who have supernatural beliefs.  

What is the difference, you ask?  Just as an example, being crazy and believing the Book of Genesis shows the universe was literally made in 6 days and thus we should make geology textbooks all whack would be a supernatural belief, while, interpreted in a different way, the Book of Genesis may teach certain non-scientific, spiritual truths, such as the belief that life is a blessing (in other words, our creation was an act of love--not a question of fact at all, but more an attitude of an arguably spiritually and/or perhaps psychologically-healthy person) or the belief that people are not meant to be alone, that we should love others and be loved by them.  

Now, in fairness to the exclusively, fiercely logical video you shared, the video omitted a discussion of spiritual issues moreso than explicitly dismissing spirituality as a valid exploration, and as much as I hate to risk putting words in the video's mouth, the omission itself leads me to suspect that the video's author missed the meat of walking the line between exploring spiritual and scientific issues.  To say that people who do not understand science and misapply supernatural beliefs are idiots, and making them the primary target and calling them closed-minded comes across as obvious and pointless.  You don't need a long, meticulously detailed video to show the idiocy of such people.  However, to almost completely ignore what is at least to me a hugely more interesting and relevant issue, which is whether an atheist who does not bother to look deeply into spiritual teachings--of course not as a literal blueprint of the universe but more as a guide to understanding oneself and one's "true" self and/or their potential for greater levels of love and peace--whether such an atheist is "closed-minded", that strikes me as a more interesting question and the video's author, who at least judged by his choice of video topics does not deem it to be a subject worth addressing, forgive me but he comes across as closed minded.   If he addressed this topic in a more serious way in a different video, please let me know!  

I am really not trying to start a flame war or anything, I hope I explained somewhat clearly why the video's choice of focus and its omissions struck me as "closed-minded", I would like to reiterate, to end on a more conciliatory note, that I totally agree with what struck me as a main gist of the video, that creationists and people who attribute moving lampshades to ghosts before turning off fans are idiots.  I just feel that that such a point is completely obvious and misses a more interesting discussion that is under the video author's nose.  
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NOTE;  I did not mean to "bump" an ancient post, but it was a "sticky" post whatever that means, so I am guessing it has different rules than non-sticky posts, I hope?  If not I'm sorry!  Also, geeogree said in the comments he believes in God, so I may have been preaching to the choir a little in this!!

Oh my goodness, interesting discussion-provoking video....  While I whole-heartedly agree with what struck me as the
main gist of what he was getting at, that people who judge others for supposed closed-mindedness are actually the closed-minded ones, I hate to say it but in an insidious way the video, as a whole, came across as closed minded!  LOL

I will try to explain, though I should preface my attempt by saying I am aware of the danger of committing some of the same transgressions he complains about in the video, though in my defense before-the-fact this is mostly going to be due to a lack of attention to detail and carefulness.  There needs to room, even in the logic/debate section of this site, for some roughly-approximated sentiment!  

Also, I apologize in advance if my thoughts have already been addressed in some of the billions of replies to this post, but the video made me want to start typing right away.  

Why did the video strike me as closed-minded?  My final prefaces, I promise, yes the video was careful and admirably so to distinguish the difference between non-belief (e.g. "I have not been persuaded to believe that") versus closed-mindedness ("that is impossible!") and I am also aware that there is the danger I could be putting words in the video's mouth (i.e. exaggerating its position to make it weaker), though what rubbed me the wrong way about the video was more what it didn't say, if that makes sense. 

To put it as simply as possible, to briefly allude to supernatural beliefs and to have such a strong emphasis on scientific inquiry, the film struck me as closed-minded by not even having a stance one way or another on more existential, meaning-of-life type questions, while at the same time mischaracterizing and conflating/confusing those people who do have spiritual beliefs as being the same as those who have supernatural beliefs.  

What is the difference, you ask?  Just as an example, being crazy and believing the Book of Genesis shows the universe was literally made in 6 days and thus we should make geology textbooks all whack would be a supernatural belief, while, interpreted in a different way, the Book of Genesis may teach certain non-scientific, spiritual truths, such as the belief that life is a blessing (in other words, our creation was an act of love--not a question of fact at all, but more an attitude of an arguably spiritually and/or perhaps psychologically-healthy person) or the belief that people are not meant to be alone, that we should love others and be loved by them.  

Now, in fairness to the exclusively, fiercely logical video you shared, the video omitted a discussion of spiritual issues moreso than explicitly dismissing spirituality as a valid exploration, and as much as I hate to risk putting words in the video's mouth, the omission itself leads me to suspect that the video's author missed the meat of walking the line between exploring spiritual and scientific issues.  To say that people who do not understand science and misapply supernatural beliefs are idiots, and making them the primary target and calling them closed-minded comes across as obvious and pointless.  You don't need a long, meticulously detailed video to show the idiocy of such people.  However, to almost completely ignore what is at least to me a hugely more interesting and relevant issue, which is whether an atheist who does not bother to look deeply into spiritual teachings--of course not as a literal blueprint of the universe but more as a guide to understanding oneself and one's "true" self and/or their potential for greater levels of love and peace--whether such an atheist is "closed-minded", that strikes me as a more interesting question and the video's author, who at least judged by his choice of video topics does not deem it to be a subject worth addressing, forgive me but he comes across as closed minded.   If he addressed this topic in a more serious way in a different video, please let me know!  

I am really not trying to start a flame war or anything, I hope I explained somewhat clearly why the video's choice of focus and its omissions struck me as "closed-minded", I would like to reiterate, to end on a more conciliatory note, that I totally agree with what struck me as a main gist of the video, that creationists and people who attribute moving lampshades to ghosts before turning off fans are idiots.  I just feel that that such a point is completely obvious and misses a more interesting discussion that is under the video author's nose.  
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Thanks for posting this, I really appreciated the video and what it's trying to explain; I also found it simple to understand and I wish someone I know (my mother, lol) watched it.
I think it's a very convenient teaching since there are so many things we don't know and we often can't afford to say that something's ABSOLUTELY right or true;
on the other hand I find that people who say "you should be more open-minded" are generally trying to avoid sticky situations during a debate, so they just "escape" the argument.

I can't say I'm a very open minded person, because there are many subjects I'm skeptical about (and especially when I'm in a bad mood I find myself being rude or aggressive to other people when trying to explain my opinion),
but self-improvement is important and that's something I'm trying to achieve xD
Thanks for posting this, I really appreciated the video and what it's trying to explain; I also found it simple to understand and I wish someone I know (my mother, lol) watched it.
I think it's a very convenient teaching since there are so many things we don't know and we often can't afford to say that something's ABSOLUTELY right or true;
on the other hand I find that people who say "you should be more open-minded" are generally trying to avoid sticky situations during a debate, so they just "escape" the argument.

I can't say I'm a very open minded person, because there are many subjects I'm skeptical about (and especially when I'm in a bad mood I find myself being rude or aggressive to other people when trying to explain my opinion),
but self-improvement is important and that's something I'm trying to achieve xD
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Sakuraoka1306 : bah i think you're a lovely member you don't need changing lol.  Open mindedness like most things is a double edged swrod, on one hand it's good to try lots of things but on the other hand trying those other things can be wastes of time and put you in bad moods if oyu really dislike it.    
Sakuraoka1306 : bah i think you're a lovely member you don't need changing lol.  Open mindedness like most things is a double edged swrod, on one hand it's good to try lots of things but on the other hand trying those other things can be wastes of time and put you in bad moods if oyu really dislike it.    
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UFC : I think open mindedness is also about trying things without getting directly involved in them,
basically, if you don't like it you quit, but at least you tried
UFC : I think open mindedness is also about trying things without getting directly involved in them,
basically, if you don't like it you quit, but at least you tried
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Sakuraoka1306 : yeah i get that and all but sometimes someone will say try rock climbing or something even if they know you are unfit or scared of heights and it ends in disaster anyways, thats the bad side of it   
Sakuraoka1306 : yeah i get that and all but sometimes someone will say try rock climbing or something even if they know you are unfit or scared of heights and it ends in disaster anyways, thats the bad side of it   
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I love Qualia Soup's videos, I've seen most of them.

Though as much as you try to explain these concepts of critical thinking to people who already believe in supernatural forces that work in the universe, or people who accept pseudoscience. It's REALLY difficult to get people to see where their logical flaws are. I know because I believed in god most of my life, and when my faith became vulnerable to skepticism, I would perform incredible mental gymnastics to try to escape from the possibility that I might be wrong. It's pretty much up to the individual themselves to allow themselves to be self-critical, and accept their own fallacies as fallacies. All that skeptics can do is apply the pressure.
I love Qualia Soup's videos, I've seen most of them.

Though as much as you try to explain these concepts of critical thinking to people who already believe in supernatural forces that work in the universe, or people who accept pseudoscience. It's REALLY difficult to get people to see where their logical flaws are. I know because I believed in god most of my life, and when my faith became vulnerable to skepticism, I would perform incredible mental gymnastics to try to escape from the possibility that I might be wrong. It's pretty much up to the individual themselves to allow themselves to be self-critical, and accept their own fallacies as fallacies. All that skeptics can do is apply the pressure.
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I am happy to play here with all you people. Thanks a lot for all games that we can play . I love so much retro games 
I am happy to play here with all you people. Thanks a lot for all games that we can play . I love so much retro games 
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asdren : Not only you but also I enjoy many of these games since the turn of the old nostalgia when we were kids
asdren : Not only you but also I enjoy many of these games since the turn of the old nostalgia when we were kids
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Ermira : Emira know what it means to have nostalogji for these games. I and my generation of 1987 years of pleasure and delight knows well what was at the time when we played for the first time. Me with you remains in memory even when played Marion. At that time the creation and launch of these games was the technological revolution. Today I was given the opportunity to choose between games of today and those I definitely choose these. It just matters concept and feeling.
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Wow, that was pretty amazing. I think that I learned a lot from that video. I really think that hits spot on to how I try to think. I personally am an agnostic because saying that I am an atheist would mean that I am unwilling to accept the idea that god exists if presented with evidence. I wish that instead of flat out saying, "God doesn't exist, now that my thoughts have been presented, I refuse to hear anything otherwise." If everyone looked at things in a more logical way, the world would be a much nicer place.
Wow, that was pretty amazing. I think that I learned a lot from that video. I really think that hits spot on to how I try to think. I personally am an agnostic because saying that I am an atheist would mean that I am unwilling to accept the idea that god exists if presented with evidence. I wish that instead of flat out saying, "God doesn't exist, now that my thoughts have been presented, I refuse to hear anything otherwise." If everyone looked at things in a more logical way, the world would be a much nicer place.
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ShadowLink12 : I don't think that's accurate.

Anyone can change their minds about anything that they choose to. Atheists can (and some do) change their minds about the existence of God and return to faith just as those of faith do when they become agnostic or atheist.

What I'm saying is that it's up to the individual person.
ShadowLink12 : I don't think that's accurate.

Anyone can change their minds about anything that they choose to. Atheists can (and some do) change their minds about the existence of God and return to faith just as those of faith do when they become agnostic or atheist.

What I'm saying is that it's up to the individual person.
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EideticMemory: I guess I never really thought of the atheists who are actually willing to accept the new ideas and go along with those. I did exactly what the guy in the video said, I put labels on people. I really should be more careful about the things I say. Sorry for sandwich posting don't kill me please.
EideticMemory: I guess I never really thought of the atheists who are actually willing to accept the new ideas and go along with those. I did exactly what the guy in the video said, I put labels on people. I really should be more careful about the things I say. Sorry for sandwich posting don't kill me please.
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This is an interesting subject. To add to the pile, I guess from what I believe I have understood on this subject is that to be open minded we are willing to accept other things (beliefs, ideas, or whatever it may be) for what they are even if it is not within our own circle of who we personally are ourselves. I have always found this approach most stimulating as you gain perspective on topics you may have otherwise dismissed had you not decided to remain open. To admit myself, I do my best to be open minded but, there is always something eventually that may cause an insecurity or that may make you feel unsafe as people gain a variable mindset in their ways to the point where they feel it needs to be enforced on others. I encountered this in a situation but, I challenged myself to not discriminate just because said person believed something else. Really this opened a doorway for acceptance in what other said person was like as themselves. To boil it all down though really I believe if we are to establish an open mind we need to coexist as equals in some way in society. After that we have teamwork, when that is done, and our own personal resolves we want to establish. So there is my basic understanding and belief. I hope I spoke that without creating relative confusion, ha.
This is an interesting subject. To add to the pile, I guess from what I believe I have understood on this subject is that to be open minded we are willing to accept other things (beliefs, ideas, or whatever it may be) for what they are even if it is not within our own circle of who we personally are ourselves. I have always found this approach most stimulating as you gain perspective on topics you may have otherwise dismissed had you not decided to remain open. To admit myself, I do my best to be open minded but, there is always something eventually that may cause an insecurity or that may make you feel unsafe as people gain a variable mindset in their ways to the point where they feel it needs to be enforced on others. I encountered this in a situation but, I challenged myself to not discriminate just because said person believed something else. Really this opened a doorway for acceptance in what other said person was like as themselves. To boil it all down though really I believe if we are to establish an open mind we need to coexist as equals in some way in society. After that we have teamwork, when that is done, and our own personal resolves we want to establish. So there is my basic understanding and belief. I hope I spoke that without creating relative confusion, ha.
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Hmm... Now I see open-mindedness as a learning tool usable for revising and refreshing your "idea bank" and as an effective defence mechanism that allows you to hold your position while listening, filtering, accepting or denying various claims(argumented or not) based upon your own argumentation.
I think the best part starts at 7:30
It sums up just about everything the author wanted to tell you.
Sceptical of scepticism?... Wow, I think I'm more close-minded than I thought I was :
Hmm... Now I see open-mindedness as a learning tool usable for revising and refreshing your "idea bank" and as an effective defence mechanism that allows you to hold your position while listening, filtering, accepting or denying various claims(argumented or not) based upon your own argumentation.
I think the best part starts at 7:30
It sums up just about everything the author wanted to tell you.
Sceptical of scepticism?... Wow, I think I'm more close-minded than I thought I was :
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